An Interesting Map

"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn) 11/08/2020 at 13:14 • Filed to: None

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My wife and I were talking about presidents in recent memory who didn’t get two terms. This is the Electoral College map when two one-term presidents went had to head. In 1976, Jimmy Carter, who would lose a second term to Ronald Reagan (“It’s morning in America”) beat Gerald Ford, who had become president when Nixon resigned. I know that Carter was from Georgia, but the entire South, including TX, is blue, and California and the West Coast is red. It would be interesting to know how all that changed. 

VincentMalamute-Kim > ttyymmnn 11/08/2020 at 13:29

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Democrats used to be the Southern, racist party. I don’t remember how that changed.

Just Jeepin' > ttyymmnn 11/08/2020 at 13:29

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Interesting table:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_party_strength_in_California

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > ttyymmnn 11/08/2020 at 13:30

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I’m told that Reagan was not so far to the right as Republicans today, the party was more moderate. We have seen how far they are sliding over. 

interstate366, now In The Industry > VincentMalamute-Kim 11/08/2020 at 13:35

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FDR and the New Deal brought in the left-leaning elements, and between then and Nixon the party was basically two parties in one, until Nixon’s Southern Strategy courted the so-called Dixiecrat vote.

VincentMalamute-Kim > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 11/08/2020 at 13:36

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GOP was not as far right as today. As recently as the Bushes, all right of center. Just as I don’t think it’d be good for the country for the Democrats to go extreme left either.

phenotyp > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 11/08/2020 at 13:37

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Reagan primaried Ford in 76, running in an explicit appeal to racist white southerners. (See “Southern Strategy”). While he does look moderate compared to today’s wingnuts, it’s not because he wasn’t one himself. 

phenotyp > VincentMalamute-Kim 11/08/2020 at 13:38

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Reagan. 

VincentMalamute-Kim > interstate366, now In The Industry 11/08/2020 at 13:38

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All interesting. History is g ood for everyone to know. I should read up on it more.

ttyymmnn > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 11/08/2020 at 13:38

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Reagan was the last of the true Conservatives. The GOP today is no longer Conservative. Bill Buckley is spinning in his grave. 

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > VincentMalamute-Kim 11/08/2020 at 13:39

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Yeah moderate is a good place, I do thing healthcare is a human right now. I am going into another job because my union medical is all gone now. It’s insane now that I’m living through it, I didn’t get fired, we have a fucking pandemic and I lose my medical because my job can’t be done right now. So our choices are to possibly die or go into massive debt? 

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > phenotyp 11/08/2020 at 13:41

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Well that is me trying to remember what I heard in my political science class in college haha

VincentMalamute-Kim > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 11/08/2020 at 13:43

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Everyone paying taxes so you (and everyone else) have early medical care is cheaper than you waiting to get extremely sick, then using expensive emergency, ICU care which we will pay for anyway.

In a pandemic, getting you proper care is good for keeping everyone else healthy .

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > ttyymmnn 11/08/2020 at 13:45

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My favorite is Regan’s reelection, won 49 states. Last time WA was ever red. I suspect it never will be again with our everything is trending towards political extremes.

ttyymmnn > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 11/08/2020 at 13:52

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Yeah, that was a pretty serious beat down. My parents are lifelong Democrats, which is probably why I am one also. We went to hear Carter speak when he came to town in 76. Carter was, and still is, a very good, honest, decent man who rose to the presidency at a very bad time. When he lost to Reagan in 1980, it was a fascinating time. “Morning in America” was more than an ad campaign. We were coming out of the doldrums of the 70s, it was a new decade, the 80s where bright and colorful and optimistic. It was a fun time to be a teenager. My dad hated Reagan, mostly because of the way his policies affected the environment. All the dead trees in the Shenandoah Forest he called “Ronald Reagan trees” because they died due to acid rain. 

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > ttyymmnn 11/08/2020 at 13:55

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I think Rea gan is credited as once saying, regarding California Redwoods, “You’ve seen one, you’ve seen them all.”

Let’s not forget Rea ganomics, or shutting down various governments asylums. Or the Contra Incident. A real sheep in wool's clothing, that boy...

ttyymmnn > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 11/08/2020 at 14:08

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I’m still not sure how he escaped Iran/Contra. I remember when that broke, and I figured he was toast. His people managed to find some good scapegoats. 

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > ttyymmnn 11/08/2020 at 14:18

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When’s the last time New York state and California voted differently? 

Demon-Xanth knows how to operate a street. > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 11/08/2020 at 14:21

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In 1984, Reagan got 525/538...but only got about 59% of the popular vote. The last time a candidate got more than a 2/3rds majority was James Monroe in 1820.

ranwhenparked > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 11/08/2020 at 14:49

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Nope, Reagan-style landslides are definitely a thing of the past. I also highly doubt we’ll ever see candidates genuinely laughing at each other’s jokes during a presidential debate ever again.

Fun fact - Walter Mondale is the only person in history to lose a statewide election in all 50 states - he might have won his home state of Minnesota for President in 1984, but lost there for Senate in 2002.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > ttyymmnn 11/08/2020 at 14:53

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Counterpoint, Reagen was the first of the modern conservatives, ushering in the party of no.

ranwhenparked > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 11/08/2020 at 15:00

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The de-institutionalization was also driven by recognition of widespread abuses within large state hospitals - rapes, forced lobotomies, forced sterilizations, etc, resulting in a rise in public anger against them. At the same time, new “miracle” prescription drugs deluded doctors into believing that nearly all previously institutionalized mentally ill could be effectively treated as out-patients. Not realizing, of course, that one of the recurring problems in many mental illnesses is an inability for the individual to even realize they’re ill and need help, and even mentally ill adults have the legal right to refuse treatment, so they go off their meds, stop therapy, and wind up homeless.

I had a great aunt who spent most of her life at Pennhurst, and we are currently dealing with another family member who has bipolar disorder with lengthy periods of mania and paranoia. If his parents weren’t still alive to take care of him, he’d be on the street. He’s been in and out of mental hospitals his whole adult life, but, honestly, would probably be fine with medication, the trouble is he won’t take it unless forced, and sometimes finds ways around that. He fluctuates between thinking he doesn’t have a problem, or sometimes recognizing that he does, but claiming that he can control and cure it himself with his mind. He’ll hallucinate that people from his past are sending him messages through video games, that airliners flying overhead are signals to start some sort of plot, that he doesn’t need to sleep because blinking provides rest, that nurses have cameras in their eyelids, etc. Not dangerous, per se, though he can get very impulsive. At one point, he bought a sword online and was swinging it around for fun, damaged furniture, but missed people. He’ll go through long periods, sometimes years, without any episodes and seem totally normal, then, out of the blue, it will happen again. Makes it impossible to hold down steady employment or finish a bachelors degree.

Anyway, under the law, he’s treated as a rational, reasonable person capable of making his own decisions, at some points, his family was even barred from involuntarily committing him during episodes, so they had to talk him into agreeing to sign the documents.

Jayvincent > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 11/08/2020 at 15:01

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I’ll tell you a secret - Biden is a Reagan Republican. Hillary is a Nixon Republican. Obama and Carter are the only Democrats in recent history

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > Jayvincent 11/08/2020 at 15:12

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That’s what my dad says

Jayvincent > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 11/08/2020 at 15:21

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proof that intelligence and good taste is inherited!

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > VincentMalamute-Kim 11/08/2020 at 15:27

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1964 civil rights act with lbj. 

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > interstate366, now In The Industry 11/08/2020 at 15:29

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Dan Carlin had a segment of  the 1940 party platforms and how in 2016 they be tarred as socialist

ttyymmnn > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 11/08/2020 at 15:42

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Exactly

Spanfeller is a twat > ttyymmnn 11/08/2020 at 15:51

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I’ll show you some maps!
Red and yellow are basically the same (the left wing party), blue is the right wing party, and green is the big-tent PRI party.
2018:

2012:

2006:

2000:

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1994:

The only state to have “reliably” voted for conservatives has been Guanajuato and it’s a fascinating demonstration that Mexican political identity is yet to be shaped. 

interstate366, now In The Industry > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 11/08/2020 at 15:58

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1988

wafflesnfalafel > ttyymmnn 11/08/2020 at 16:24

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M y folks voted for Ford because they were uncomfortable with Carter’s strong religious ties.  How times have changed.  

Nickcage > Jayvincent 11/08/2020 at 16:30

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I still dont want this hunter biden thing to disappear. Needs to be investigated.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 11/08/2020 at 16:54

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Worst of all, he bailed out Harley Davidson. That created a precedent of the government bailing you out no matter how little you try to succeed. Instead of promoting trying to make America better than the world, he tariffed out the better competition.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 11/08/2020 at 16:57

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Well if you’ve got friends in high places, you too can benefit from the rewards of enterprise when times are good, and then beg for handouts when time are bad — and then vote against liveable wages and programs for citizens.

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > ttyymmnn 11/08/2020 at 19:06

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Never since has it been so left coast v right coast. 

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 11/08/2020 at 21:32

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Reagans mentor was Barry Goldwater, who was seen as nuts in 64. I would say Nixon and Ford could be seen a moderate, but the loss of Ford in 76 to Reagan in 80 was kind a like romney in 12 to trump in 16. “hey this didn’t work because we didn’t g o far enough”

DipodomysDeserti > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 11/08/2020 at 22:53

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Some of them weren’t, but Reagan wasn’t one of them. He was about as right wing as it gets, with the CIA funding right wing death squads in Central and South America under his watch.

DipodomysDeserti > wafflesnfalafel 11/09/2020 at 00:48

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They sure do.  Look up some of Goldwater’s quotes on Evangelicals. Too bad other conservatives didn’t listen to him.

wafflesnfalafel > DipodomysDeserti 11/09/2020 at 00:56

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yes... Goldwater was an interesting guy. Most “modern” Republicans would hate him...